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Back in the day, Delta and the Bannermen was one of my favourite Doctor Who stories. I think, in part, this came from watching with my parents who had been in their teens and early twenties in the 1950s when it is set. The story makes the most of the time period in its sound track and set dressing, and my parents had a nice trip down memory lane.

Delta and the Bannermen was made during what I tend to think of as the awkward transition year, after Eric Saward had left as script editor but before Andrew Cartmel had really taken control of the show. It has the whimsey/surreality of stories like The Happiness Patrol and The Greatest Show in the Galaxy without having the more serious undercurrents of most of the work Cartmel edited. It also has the random and largely unnecessary massacre of a bus load of a harmless tourists which feels like a hold over from Saward's tenure.

Watching it, many years after the first viewing, with Tame Layman, it still (tourist massacre aside) has plenty of verve and is (tourist massacre aside) a fun and light-hearted tale but, beyond that, it seems a rather insubstantial. Tame Layman commented that it was basically an extended chase scene in its construction and there is some truth in that.

One of the most interesting thing about Delta and the Bannermen is Ray, the companion who never was. At this point in the show the production team knew Bonnie Langford was leaving and considered two replacements - the lovelorn Welsh motorcycle mechanic wannabe Ray from this and Ace from Dragonfire (the next story). I can see why they went for Ace, her characterisation is more immediate from the start and contemporary companions are generally considered easier to write engagingly, and I think Ace was great, but sometimes I regret that we didn't get the rather gentler Ray. She had the capacity to be just independent and capable as Ace was allowed to be while at the same time being less in your face with her attitude and issues.

I remain fond of Delta and the Bannermen. It has a rather poor reputation and fandom circles. Its characters are a collection of bizarre and somewhat random folk (including a cameo from Ken Dodd) and if you don't buy into the bizarre randomness of it as, essentially, part of its charm, then its lack of budget and weird set of characters makes it look like a reject from a children's show such as Rentaghost. I love its joy in its 1950sness and its madcap and random heart, but Tame Layman is right that it really is just a long chase scene with screwball comedy aspirations and it is marred by the unnecessary massacre of the bus load of innocent and charming tourists.

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Date: 2018-12-27 01:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nostalgia
I don't like this one D: On my imaginary list it's better than Silver Nemesis but not by much. The Americans are kind of embarassing and the baddy is just horrid and yeah the bus massacre is quite WTF in terms of story tone. The cast's quite good in it though (I actually have a clear but wrong memory of Mel leaving in this story) and Rae is <3. Also I love Goronwy and his bees and it's nice to be in Wales even if it's actually England as I assume it was.

The WORST THING though is Billy/Delta when he steals her baby's food so that he can turn into a bee and shag the queen. He stole food from a baby!
Edited Date: 2018-12-27 01:22 am (UTC)

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Date: 2018-12-27 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesuswasbatman
According to various sources, the holiday camp scenes were filmed in a genuine Welsh one on Barry Island.

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Date: 2018-12-27 05:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nostalgia
Yay!

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Date: 2018-12-26 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daniel-saunders.livejournal.com
Tbh, I think most three-parters are extended chase sequences! This is one of the most obvious, though. I like it a lot, perhaps because I saw it for the first time at a point in my life where I was very disappointed with the direction Russell T Davies was taking the show, which seemed to me at the time to be about making the Doctor and companion super-cool and draining all the eccentricity and individuality out of the programme to avoid scaring off casual viewers (although that's not how I look at Davies' time now). This seemed to be more my type of Doctor Whoabout people being eccentric and quirky and winning out because of their individuality, a story that wasn't afraid to be a little bit 'out-there' and 'oddball', although not so much as later Cartmell stories. Along with Paradise Towers (which has a more polished script, but a worse realisation) it's probably best seen as a staging post on the way to later stories like Ghost Light and The Greatest Show in the Galaxy

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Date: 2018-12-27 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liadt
It's a nice bit of nonsense, although I like Rentaghost so I'm probably not the best the comment! It's interesting seeing the old resort before it was knocked down too without having to visit.

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