The Rings of Akhaten
Apr. 13th, 2013 05:17 pmI'm hoping
reggietate was pleased. She has been bemoaning for a while the total absence of NuWho stories set entirely within alien cultures. I liked it. Though, as with much of NuWho, I felt slightly short-changed, as if the story was over before it had really begun.
I hear that certain portions of fandom were offended by the singing. To which my first reaction is oh fandom! and my second is odd flashbacks to the reception of the book, Transit. Transit was Doctor Who meets Cyberpunk and there was a fair bit of pearl-clutching about the possibility that the Doctor might ever be in the same general vicinity as people who were having sex or might, gasp, meet a prostitute in the course of his adventures. It was also, stylistically, very different from anything that came before it (in Doctor Who, though not in Cyberpunk) and although the style wasn't criticised to nearly the same extent as the content, I've often wondered if part of the adverse reception was because a lot of Dr Who fandom wasn't, perhaps, as SF-literate as it liked to think it was.
However, while Transit's reception was, I think, quite illuminating in terms of the make-up and assumptions of Who fandom at the time, a kick-back against the existence of singing in Dr Who is mostly rather odd. If it had been a "musical" episode I might have understood it (though I'm personally very fond of musicals and would love to see Dr Who attempt one) but since the singing was absolutely part and parcel of the story itself it seems strange to object to it in a "Doctor Who can't contain..." kind of a way.
Russell Davies always resisted the production of a Doctor Who episode set entirely among aliens on the grounds that viewers could not relate to it. His insistence was always that there had to be humans at the heart of every story. The fan reaction to The Rings of Akhaten makes me wonder if he was right. After all the singing was intimately part of an attempt to portray an alien culture and a reaction against the singing is, perhaps, indicative of a more general reaction against the strangeness of it all. I'll confess I've not read any reviews criticising the singing, but I have seen a couple of bemused "I did not understand" kind of reviews which does suggest that the story was struggling to convey the alien culture.
I also wonder if my own reaction, that the story seemed kind of slight, was because the time required to actually portray an alien culture ate into too much of the time that could be used to tell a story. I think the jury is out on that one since, as I said above, I've had similar reactions to a number of NuWho episodes.
Other than that I liked it. I liked the aliens and their culture. I liked the singing, though I think I'd have liked it better if more effort had gone into making it sound actually alien. I'll be very interested to see if the wider reception of the story can convince the production team to attempt this kind of thing more often.
I hear that certain portions of fandom were offended by the singing. To which my first reaction is oh fandom! and my second is odd flashbacks to the reception of the book, Transit. Transit was Doctor Who meets Cyberpunk and there was a fair bit of pearl-clutching about the possibility that the Doctor might ever be in the same general vicinity as people who were having sex or might, gasp, meet a prostitute in the course of his adventures. It was also, stylistically, very different from anything that came before it (in Doctor Who, though not in Cyberpunk) and although the style wasn't criticised to nearly the same extent as the content, I've often wondered if part of the adverse reception was because a lot of Dr Who fandom wasn't, perhaps, as SF-literate as it liked to think it was.
However, while Transit's reception was, I think, quite illuminating in terms of the make-up and assumptions of Who fandom at the time, a kick-back against the existence of singing in Dr Who is mostly rather odd. If it had been a "musical" episode I might have understood it (though I'm personally very fond of musicals and would love to see Dr Who attempt one) but since the singing was absolutely part and parcel of the story itself it seems strange to object to it in a "Doctor Who can't contain..." kind of a way.
Russell Davies always resisted the production of a Doctor Who episode set entirely among aliens on the grounds that viewers could not relate to it. His insistence was always that there had to be humans at the heart of every story. The fan reaction to The Rings of Akhaten makes me wonder if he was right. After all the singing was intimately part of an attempt to portray an alien culture and a reaction against the singing is, perhaps, indicative of a more general reaction against the strangeness of it all. I'll confess I've not read any reviews criticising the singing, but I have seen a couple of bemused "I did not understand" kind of reviews which does suggest that the story was struggling to convey the alien culture.
I also wonder if my own reaction, that the story seemed kind of slight, was because the time required to actually portray an alien culture ate into too much of the time that could be used to tell a story. I think the jury is out on that one since, as I said above, I've had similar reactions to a number of NuWho episodes.
Other than that I liked it. I liked the aliens and their culture. I liked the singing, though I think I'd have liked it better if more effort had gone into making it sound actually alien. I'll be very interested to see if the wider reception of the story can convince the production team to attempt this kind of thing more often.
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Date: 2013-04-13 04:32 pm (UTC)Personally, I very much liked the world that had been created and could have done with spending more time there. Should perhaps have been a two-parter? Certainly, after all the build-up, I'd've liked to see the mummy actually do something more than fall apart.
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Date: 2013-04-13 04:40 pm (UTC)I also think the episode needed more time if it was both to show case the aliens and tell a story though it is difficult to tell if that is an inherent short-coming of 45 minutes, or if it is just that the writing team haven't attempted to do this before and so haven't quite got the mechanics of it sorted out.
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Date: 2013-04-13 05:42 pm (UTC)The. I remember that Star Trek used to do that weekly.
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Date: 2013-04-13 04:26 pm (UTC)For the second consecutive episode I hated the bike scene.
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Date: 2013-04-13 05:57 pm (UTC)But people complained about the singing, really? I enjoyed it and I thought it was a nice attempt to show us another culture, which New Who doesn't seem to want to do very often. I don't know, I guess my opinions are the minority? I don't much pay attention to the fandom as it seems to be filled with a lot of wank.
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Date: 2013-04-13 06:43 pm (UTC)Much as I love it, that's my biggest complaint about it - that they hardly ever get away from Earth. Back when Doc 3 was in exile there, it made sense, but even then he was always trying to leave. Not because he hated Earth so much, but he was a citizen of the universe, and he loved to travel and see things never seen before. I used to like it when he'd just wander about randomly finding trouble and putting it right, even if the people he was helping were blobby aliens with purple tentacles.
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Date: 2013-04-13 06:22 pm (UTC)A lot of the Tumblr end of fandom seemed to love this ep. How representative they are is anybody's guess :-) Visually it was splendid, and just goes to show what can be done, but I found it a mite boring in parts. I agree that the singing was nice but should have been more alien-sounding (perhaps without words?)
I'd still like to see more stories set out in the galaxy at large. The Doctor set out at the beginning to travel and explore, and it takes something fundamental away from his character if you have him forever hanging about on Earth. I don't believe that the audience is so parochial, either - even though I liked the Third Doctor's Earth-bound era, I don't remember disliking stories which took place in alien cultures, or away from Earth but with humans. The companions have always been the gateway to the alien cultures the Doctor dives into - the Doctor explains the strange worlds, the companion translates that into something we as viewers can empathise with. I think RTD was wrong not toreally grasp that nettle after the first series.
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Date: 2013-04-13 09:05 pm (UTC)I think it suffered from not having enough alien-ness to make it an exercise in world-building with the plot secondary, but not enough plot to have the alien-ness as mere background detail. Between two stools, in other words.
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Date: 2013-04-14 07:31 am (UTC)It was only half an hour after I watched it that I had to go back and watch on iPlayer to check that yes, The Doctor did actually blow up their planet. That might have some long-term implications for that society I feel, that weren't adequately addressed in the show!
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Date: 2013-04-25 07:50 pm (UTC)the economy was a little confusing to me - you buy things by exchanging items of emotional/memory value to yourself (nobody lies? what of pickpockets?)
...but the Doctor offered up his memories and experiences to the Old God. (and then seemed none the worse for wear afterward)
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Date: 2013-04-14 05:34 pm (UTC)Some Radio 4 comedy, many years ago.