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Hmmm... so there's a rumour of sorts doing the rounds that can be summarised as LJ is likely to become unreliable shortly and vanish in due course.

I'll admit to a certain dark amusement at the thought of bringing LJ (and possibly places like LJ Book) down simply by engendering a round of panic-stricken backing up (NB. More strictly backuppy services exist than LJ Book, I just like turning my LJ into a book once a year - some alternative back up tools are linked to in the rumour post above and its comments) however I would hate to be the person sitting there smugly going "didn't you know?" so I'm passing on the rumour and leave it to you, gentle reader, to decide the level of panic that is appropriate.

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munchkinofdoom.livejournal.com

*nods*

Interesting. I saw this over on Journalfen, and have spent the last hour creating and customising an alternative on insane journal. I did that ages ago on greatest journal and it, of course, fell over. *headdesk*

I've never backed up my lj, but I'll be doing that in the next few days. I can't see LJ just disappearing overnight, but - what with sacking some of their engineers - I can envision connectability problems in the future.

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fredbassett

Hmmm, I hope it's not true, but I do have an Insane Journal in the same name as here, and it would be good if I can back up my posts to there. Any advice as to how, Evil Twin? And could we do the same with a comm like Denial? ie start one there and then do a mass archive transfer?

Then at least we could have an exit strategy ready if it happens.

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purplecat

I recall a lot of stuff about it during the various strikethrough censorship shenanigans. Of course it was the mass exodus to GreatestJournal at that point which killed it so there's no guarantee InsaneJournal would cope if the entirety of LJ went there en masse.

However I do recall

metafandom posts explaining how to transfer across and so forth.

cairmen seems to reckon on keeping a good backup in a standard format and hoping whichever system emerges standing from the fall out will import that format...

Edited Date: 2009-01-06 04:15 pm (UTC)

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fredbassett

The saddest thing about it would be the number of people we would lose en route, and whilst I'm not big on panic etc, it would seem sensible to have some form of back up plan, which would be made known to comm members and friends, so that we could at least have an idea of where to congregate, and if comms can be backed up as well, at least we could preserve Denial as an entity.

*sigh* I loathe uncertainty, and I have way, way too many friends here to want to lose this sort of set up.

We need a back-up plan. *serious nod*

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purplecat

I've just done a metafandom trawl. I'm not finding anything that will let you mirror denial in real time on, say, Insane Journal.

I've found tools that will let you post to several journals at once - so you could mirror, personally, your own journal on LJ and IJ but I can't see how to get a community to cross post, as it were, without getting everyone in it to use a new tool. Your best bet is to back denial up regularly (e.g. once a month) and then import it into a new journal. You might lose up to a month's posts that way but you won't lose it all - if LJ does go down, though, all the links to people's personal journals will go whatever you do....

Anyway

This seems to be a useful post summarising posts about back up and moving procedures

Assuming its easy to use, this post describes what looks like the best system for transferring an entire journal or community to a new host

And this seems to be a way to post to multiple journals at once

Edited Date: 2009-01-06 04:42 pm (UTC)

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fredbassett

It looks like the biggest problem would be that if LJ goes down totally, all the personal journals will go, but a back up would certainly be a help, come what may. I'll talk to bigtitch about how we arrange that.

On a personal level, I've had an Insane Journal for a while, just so I can comment on people who link back to there, particularly joereaves when she posts via there.

In the space of the last 10 minutes, I have loaded my first 4 fics manually, and it is amazingly quick to do, just by copying and pasting the original LJ entry, and all you have to do is type the heading and the tags. I could probably have ALL my stuff there with about 2 hours work. I think that's worth the time and effort. I don't know if there would be a way of importing that takes comments over as well, as it would be a shame to lose all the feedback, but that would be fairly small, in the great scheme of things.

IJ seems to be the best bet so far, so I'm going to continue with it as a backup.

We can always set up a new Denial Comm there just in case, and encourage cross-posting, or at least just publicise it, in case we need an exit strategy.

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purplecat

All my fic gets backed up anyway to my personal web page and I archive this journal once a year which I consider often enough for its archival value to me. You're right it would be nice to keep the fic feedback but I'm not sure it's worth the effort...

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fredbassett

I've just tried to copy over feedback, and it doesn't work, and as you say, it's probably not worth the effort, but I will sort a back up out.

I very rarely make personal posts, so it's just the fic really, and I have a total word back up of all that.

But it seems to be so quick to transfer over manually, that I probably will complete this exercise.

Would you set up a journal over there, just in case?

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purplecat

Already have one for commenting: http://lsellersfic.insanejournal.com/ - I'll set up a personal one as and when needed or possibly some sort of wordpress blog - depends a bit what the bulk of my flist end up doing.

From:

fredbassett

Just as a precautionary measure, I have just set up a Primeval_Denial Comm over there, just to preserve the name, more than anything. It took two minutes, so easy done.

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fififolle

Flippin'eck. *backs up* *feels bad about the job losses*

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munchkinofdoom.livejournal.com

I'm going to have a go at migrating my LJ over to IJ using ljmigrate - http://antennapedia.livejournal.com/266462.html?page=7#comments and see what happens. It should be able to duplicate all my posts over there, but not the comments. But it will back up both posts and comments to your harddrive.

I backed up my LJ last night, using ljarchive and it had everything backed up, including comments in under 5 minutes.

If you want, I can email you the exe file for ljarchive, or if you want to wait, I can let you know how migrating my LJ to IJ goes...

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