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I can't quite put my finger on what it was about Timewyrm:Revelation, Paul Cornell's first novel, that was so exciting, because I can completely understand the criticism that it is basically too wierd. But I think it was the first time official Doctor Who canon (even if this is a branch of canon that has since been side-lined) served up something that was from a fan of the show being explicitly fannish about the show.

I'm inclined to say this was the moment that the inmates began to take over the asylum. Although arguably that happened in 1988 when John Freeman took over DWM.

Crossposts: http://louisedennis.livejournal.com/356959.html

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gominokouhai

> this was the moment that the inmates began to take over the asylum. Although arguably that happened

*cough* *cough* Ian Levine *hrm?*

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purplecat

OK, I'll give you Ian Levine, though his position seems to have been something of a dead end that never really went anywhere. It's also unclear how much influence he actually had over the content of the show beyond throwing names of monsters in JNT's general direction.

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I haven't read Revelation, although I read most of the Virgin novels. I think you're probably right about the inmates taking over the asylum. IIRC, parts of Revelation had been previously published in a fanzine, which probably gives this the edge in fannishness over Full Circle and Ghost Light (written by fans, but not especially fannish). With Doctor Who something of a contaminated brand at this stage, the novels and comic strips (and later audios) of the nineties would be written largely by fans rather than jobbing professionals and it showed, for better and/or for worse.

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The story concerned is Paul Cornell's idea for a final Peter Davison story, Total Eclipse, which ran through several issues of Queen Bat. It's quite different, having Nyssa and Tegan instead of Ace, but the central setting is the same.

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purplecat

Remembrance probably counts as "fannish" in this sense, though I'm not sure Aaronovitch would have been counted as a fan. It did feel like a distinct shift happened with the Virgin novels though.

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daniel-saunders.livejournal.com

Agreed that Aaronovitch wasn't a fan at that stage, although he had a steep learning curve, but IIRC, the idea of a Dalek Emperor that looked like the one from the TV Century 21 comics that splits open to reveal Davros came from SFX man and card-carrying fan Mike Tucker (one of the relatively few people to work on both 20th and 21st century TV Who).

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